Comments on: On Need, Greed, and Disenchant http://ducttape.etherjammer.com/2009/11/on-need-greed-and-disenchant/ Rezzing stupid people since 2005 Tue, 09 Mar 2010 10:52:59 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Chris Anthony http://ducttape.etherjammer.com/2009/11/on-need-greed-and-disenchant/#comment-317 Chris Anthony Wed, 09 Dec 2009 18:02:23 +0000 http://ducttape.etherjammer.com/?p=309#comment-317 @matt, can you be a little more specific? I haven't been able to log in yet; is it not the case that you can transfer a BOP item to someone on another server, even if you're within the 2-hour limit? If that's true - that you <strong>can't</strong> - that's either a bug or a pretty serious design flaw. @matt, can you be a little more specific? I haven’t been able to log in yet; is it not the case that you can transfer a BOP item to someone on another server, even if you’re within the 2-hour limit?

If that’s true – that you can’t – that’s either a bug or a pretty serious design flaw.

]]> By: matt http://ducttape.etherjammer.com/2009/11/on-need-greed-and-disenchant/#comment-316 matt Wed, 09 Dec 2009 17:54:09 +0000 http://ducttape.etherjammer.com/?p=309#comment-316 quote "That said, hopefully you won’t have too much trouble convincing someone to help you out. (Since – as far as I know – you can transfer a looted BOP item, within the 2-hour limit, to someone on another server who was eligible to loot the item, it may be worthwhile to ask another player who is in the right armor class to roll Need for you and then transfer the item to you.)" WRONG !!! :) quote

“That said, hopefully you won’t have too much trouble convincing someone to help you out. (Since – as far as I know – you can transfer a looted BOP item, within the 2-hour limit, to someone on another server who was eligible to loot the item, it may be worthwhile to ask another player who is in the right armor class to roll Need for you and then transfer the item to you.)”

WRONG !!! :)

]]> By: Berry http://ducttape.etherjammer.com/2009/11/on-need-greed-and-disenchant/#comment-296 Berry Fri, 06 Nov 2009 22:31:55 +0000 http://ducttape.etherjammer.com/?p=309#comment-296 They get conflated because they are currently tied to each other in the same system. ;) I love the DE half of the change. The gear restriction is eeeeevil. They get conflated because they are currently tied to each other in the same system. ;) I love the DE half of the change. The gear restriction is eeeeevil.

]]> By: Chris Anthony http://ducttape.etherjammer.com/2009/11/on-need-greed-and-disenchant/#comment-291 Chris Anthony Fri, 06 Nov 2009 20:19:26 +0000 http://ducttape.etherjammer.com/?p=309#comment-291 <a href="#comment-289" rel="nofollow">@Berry</a>, I'm seeing the Disenchant button and the "no Needing on stuff not in your armor class" conflated a lot, probably because they were in the same place in the patch notes. While I agree that the "no Need on stuff not in your armor class" change is for the worse, it's not really the same issue at all as the Disenchant button, and I wouldn't hold the Need issue against the DE system. :) That said, I would not be surprised if the NBG system were changed so that the "classes are limited to their dominant armor type" part is removed, or changed to "classes are limited to armor they can wear". Otherwise, yes, there will be circumstances where you're going to have to ask the group to let you Greed for an item - or ask someone who <em>is</em> of the appropriate armor class to Need it and then transfer it to you. @Berry, I’m seeing the Disenchant button and the “no Needing on stuff not in your armor class” conflated a lot, probably because they were in the same place in the patch notes. While I agree that the “no Need on stuff not in your armor class” change is for the worse, it’s not really the same issue at all as the Disenchant button, and I wouldn’t hold the Need issue against the DE system. :)

That said, I would not be surprised if the NBG system were changed so that the “classes are limited to their dominant armor type” part is removed, or changed to “classes are limited to armor they can wear”. Otherwise, yes, there will be circumstances where you’re going to have to ask the group to let you Greed for an item – or ask someone who is of the appropriate armor class to Need it and then transfer it to you.

]]> By: Berry http://ducttape.etherjammer.com/2009/11/on-need-greed-and-disenchant/#comment-289 Berry Fri, 06 Nov 2009 14:59:05 +0000 http://ducttape.etherjammer.com/?p=309#comment-289 BIG drawback. The roll only on your class of armor system screws the non-cloth healers, and casters in general. Because Blizzard does not itemize well, and they quite understandably make more spellpower cloth than leather, plate, or mail. And changing the system to force people to their class of armor without changing the ability to acquire decent gear screws Resto druids, resto shammies, moonkin, and holy pallies. So, I guess we should all roll priests? I love the de option. I don't love the associated cost. BIG drawback. The roll only on your class of armor system screws the non-cloth healers, and casters in general. Because Blizzard does not itemize well, and they quite understandably make more spellpower cloth than leather, plate, or mail. And changing the system to force people to their class of armor without changing the ability to acquire decent gear screws Resto druids, resto shammies, moonkin, and holy pallies. So, I guess we should all roll priests?

I love the de option. I don’t love the associated cost.

]]> By: Chris Anthony http://ducttape.etherjammer.com/2009/11/on-need-greed-and-disenchant/#comment-288 Chris Anthony Fri, 06 Nov 2009 14:13:33 +0000 http://ducttape.etherjammer.com/?p=309#comment-288 I have <em>got</em> to install threaded comments! <a href="#comment-286" rel="nofollow">@Jeroen</a>, the second is correct: in the worst possible scenario, one person could get all five Abyss Crystals. It's a pretty remote possibility, though, and over time you'll average out to the same number of crystals you would normally have received (remember, sometimes the guy getting the five crystals will be you!). <a href="#comment-287" rel="nofollow">@Agape</a>, yes, it's been verified to work that way. And yes, it's unfortunate that Blizzard's chosen to pair this with a system that prevents you from rolling Need on gear that's not in your armor class, without ensuring that the real upgrades <em>are</em> in your armor class. That said, hopefully you won't have too much trouble convincing someone to help you out. (Since - as far as I know - you <em>can</em> transfer a looted BOP item, within the 2-hour limit, to someone on another server who was eligible to loot the item, it may be worthwhile to ask another player who is in the right armor class to roll Need for you and then transfer the item to you.) I have got to install threaded comments!

@Jeroen, the second is correct: in the worst possible scenario, one person could get all five Abyss Crystals. It’s a pretty remote possibility, though, and over time you’ll average out to the same number of crystals you would normally have received (remember, sometimes the guy getting the five crystals will be you!).

@Agape, yes, it’s been verified to work that way. And yes, it’s unfortunate that Blizzard’s chosen to pair this with a system that prevents you from rolling Need on gear that’s not in your armor class, without ensuring that the real upgrades are in your armor class. That said, hopefully you won’t have too much trouble convincing someone to help you out. (Since – as far as I know – you can transfer a looted BOP item, within the 2-hour limit, to someone on another server who was eligible to loot the item, it may be worthwhile to ask another player who is in the right armor class to roll Need for you and then transfer the item to you.)

]]> By: Agape http://ducttape.etherjammer.com/2009/11/on-need-greed-and-disenchant/#comment-287 Agape Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:23:46 +0000 http://ducttape.etherjammer.com/?p=309#comment-287 "If you click Disenchant, you are treated exactly as if you had rolled Greed, and roll along with the other people who rolled greed" Are you sure it will work that way? I'm German, so I'm not always sure I understand Blizzards explanations, but if it will be like that, there is a reason to complain. I started healing heroics with my new Resto Druid, and many upgrades I would like to have are cloth. With the new system, I will not be able to roll need on cloth, I'm restricted to leather. So, if a cloth piece I want drops I can only beg in chat that I would really like to have this if no clothie needs the item. If someone doesn't read this, doesn't care, etc., it will be sharded and gone if I do not win the greed roll... I agree with your other arguments, but for non-cloth casters the new loot system could be really frustrating. “If you click Disenchant, you are treated exactly as if you had rolled Greed, and roll along with the other people who rolled greed”
Are you sure it will work that way? I’m German, so I’m not always sure I understand Blizzards explanations, but if it will be like that, there is a reason to complain.
I started healing heroics with my new Resto Druid, and many upgrades I would like to have are cloth. With the new system, I will not be able to roll need on cloth, I’m restricted to leather. So, if a cloth piece I want drops I can only beg in chat that I would really like to have this if no clothie needs the item. If someone doesn’t read this, doesn’t care, etc., it will be sharded and gone if I do not win the greed roll…
I agree with your other arguments, but for non-cloth casters the new loot system could be really frustrating.

]]> By: Jeroen http://ducttape.etherjammer.com/2009/11/on-need-greed-and-disenchant/#comment-286 Jeroen Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:12:59 +0000 http://ducttape.etherjammer.com/?p=309#comment-286 I don't know if it was ever brought up, but I'm mostly interesting in the following scenario: 5 bosses drop an item that get's DE'ed to an abyss crystal. With the GREED for DE option, does everyone in the group get a single abyss crystal. Or "in the worst possible case of random" does one person get 5 abyss crystals? (in a regular run, the disenchanter would distribute the abyss crystals at the end of the run) I don’t know if it was ever brought up, but I’m mostly interesting in the following scenario:

5 bosses drop an item that get’s DE’ed to an abyss crystal. With the GREED for DE option, does everyone in the group get a single abyss crystal. Or “in the worst possible case of random” does one person get 5 abyss crystals?

(in a regular run, the disenchanter would distribute the abyss crystals at the end of the run)

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